Does the palette 2 work with soluble support?

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    Nicholas Snyder

    I know this response is way way late but I was told by Mosaic that they have had good luck with Polymaker PVA.   I purchased a roll but have not attempted to use it yet. 

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    Ricardo Pereira

    I AM trying these right now !

     

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    Nicholas Snyder

    Please let me know how it goes and what your purge settings were at!

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    Redemptioner1

    The area for these filaments to move inside the Palette 2 is too tight and often results in breakages of the filament inside the Palette (like proper wood filament). Also unless you are using filament that melts at the same temp, the bond is terrible in the splice and often fails. So you need to pick a PVA with plenty of flex and has same melting point as main filament then hope the palette does not stuff up a colour/splice change and bleed some PVA into the rest of your print. The Prusa MMU does this 100% better and more reliably than Palette 2, this is because it does not fuse the filaments together and is not full of design flaws like the palette 2 (and not full of BS when you talk to Prusa support).

     

    If you PVA on a regular basis the Palette 2 is not the tool to use.

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    Jonny Yeu

    The filament paths within Palette are designed to work with splices and filament that are consistent in order to maintain calibration. If your splices are too thick, you'll experience jams not only in Palette, but also at your extruder along with calibration issues. If you do plan on using soluble materials, please run Splice Tuning before running a print (http://mm3d.co/p2splice-tuning). We recommend splices that are +/-0.03 mm of 1.75 mm.

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    Redemptioner1

    Unfortunately the Palette 2 internals were no designed to work with the minimum bend radius of most filaments (these guys were also saying you could never deplete the buffer), this means any brittle or soft plastics have problems. Anyone using wood or metal filament knows the palette 2 simply can't handle it because the buffer and initial feed path bends the filament to sharply, most PVA's are also in this boat as well. For soft plastics, the curves cause to much friction (no reason not to have made the filament paths out of a better/less abrasive plastic), this results in drag and the filament stretching. Something that could have been easily compensated for had they put a $4 scroll wheel at each feed motor and directly after the splice motor.....

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    Jonny Yeu

    As mentioned in other threads, there are many users who are finding success with soluble materials. I would encourage users to visit our Facebook group (http://mm3d.co/fb) where we have 3,400+ users and can provide more feedback than on our forums.

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    Redemptioner1

    Unfortunately Johnny, the vast MAJORITY of users don't have "success" with soluble or brittle materials in the Palette 2. So you may have a small group of users you keep using the term "many" to describe, clearly "most" or the "majority" of people don't have regular/reliable success with solubles in the Palette 2 (let alone with non-solubles) hence you never get a flood of support (if any) into the forum to back your claim when you constantly use the term "many" followed by the number of bookface users to deliberately mislead people into thinking "most" of your bookface users have reliable/regular success when you know this is simply is not true.

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    Jonny Yeu

    I'd love to provide examples of successes, but I'm sure this would only prompt responses about how it's unfair that we share these stories, such as you've done on other threads.

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    Garyrossjr

    I have spoken with mosaic support and they told me that PVA has worked for some people but is not supported by them. But they  advertise that it does.  I have tried many ways to get it to work. No success. A simple model requires a hundred plus splices. If anything goes wrong on any of them your print will fail. I have never(in at least a hundred tries) had a print complete with PVA. It is hard enough to get it to work with PLA.

    I would never recommend this product to anyone who does not have a high end professional printer. The calibration will take weeks if not months and Mosaic has failed to provide the help needed. There are 100+ things can cause a print to fail without the Palette. The Palette ads a 1000 more. 

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    Jonny Yeu

    Sorry to hear that you still haven't found success. I know that we had spoken over video chat and worked together to get your Palette set up, but we never scheduled another chat after our initial call and after the recommended adjustments to your setup. I'd be happy to go through the calibration process with you over video again if you'd like, as it shouldn't take that much time to calibrate Palette. I know that originally there were issues with the extruder clip and with the way the model was sliced in CANVAS, so we can jump on a call to check if there are any other adjustments needed to your setup. We have many users that use your printer along with Palette, so we know that the combination works.

    Also, I would suggest calibrating with PLA first before trying to use PVA. If you're not in calibration, PVA will not appear in the proper places, causing the model to fail.

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    Shane Anderson

    Tried and tried, guys solubles are a problem with pallette.  The fillament is too elastic and causes jams constantly.

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    Jonny Yeu

    Hi Shane, which brand of soluble are you using? We do recommend using filament with a shore hardness higher than 95A.

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